嘉宾：MANTRA DAO联合创始人 John Patrick Mullin
（DeFi+DAO+DOT, How MANTRA DAO will make its own way!）
8月11日下午3点半，币扑Plan B深度对话MANTRA DAO联合创始人John Patrick Mullin，和我们一起聊一聊团队是如何玩转DeFi+DAO+DOT的，普通用户的参与机会还有哪些？
问：首先先请嘉宾做下自我介绍，简单介绍下MANTRA DAO是什么以及团队背景。（First of all, please make a brief introduction of yourself and MANTRA DAO, including the team.）
答：嗨，大家好。我是John Patrick Mullin （MANTRA DAO的理事会成员之一）。今天我想介绍一下我们的项目MANTRA DAO。MANTRA DAO是一个社区自治的去中心化金融平台，解决了目前中心化金融和去中心化的许多问题。我们的目标是给我们的成员带来经济上的稳健收益。
在MANTRA DAO项目背后有一个MANTRA DAO基金会，它由区块链专家组成，在业务和技术层面都具有丰富的行业经验。MANTRA DAO基金会的使命是引导MANTRA DAO生态系统的成长，推动组织向着去中心化方向发展。
除此之外，基金会的理事会成员也是MANTRA DAO的贡献者，他们带来了他们的财务、商业和技术专长。我们的贡献者团队在不断壮大，他们是分散在世界各地的MANTRA DAO社区的支柱。
Hi, everybody. I was John Patrick Mullin .MANTRA DAO Council Member and today I want to introduce you to our project, MANTRA DAO. MANTRA DAO is a community-governed Decentralized Finance platform that is solving a lot of the problems currently in both centralized and decentralized finance. Our goal is to bring financial peace of mind and control to our members.
Behind the MANTRA DAO project is an organization called The MANTRA DAO Foundation. It is comprised of Blockchain experts with extensive experience in the industry at both the business and technical levels. John Patrick Mullin and Will Corkin particularly are Polkadot ambassadors.
The mission of the MANTRA DAO foundation is to bootstrap the growth of MANTRA DAO ecosystem and drive the organization toward complete decentralization.
Besides the foundation’s council members are MANTRA DAO’s contributors who bring their financial, business and technical expertise to the table. Our team of Contributors is constantly growing. They are the pillars of MANTRA DAO’s nascent community scattered around the world.
Both council members and contributors will accompany the rollout of the self-governing MANTRA DAO system throughout a carefully planned step-by-step process.
问：MANTRA DAO是基于RIO链的第一个去中心化应用，面对众多底层平台，为什么会选择/开发RIO链？目前除了MANTRA DAO，RIO链上还有哪些应用？今年Q2，RIO链测试网发布，目前已经成为Kusama验证人节点，下一阶段的目标是成为波卡验证人节点，请问团队和Kusama、波卡的关系如何？对于你们，他们又会给予哪些支持？ （MANTRA DAO is the first decentralized application based on Rio chain. In face of many underlying platforms, why Rio chain? In addition to MANTRA DAO, what other applications are on the Rio chain now? We all know that after the launch of RIO testnet, RIO has become the note of Kusama, and then Polkadot in progress. How is MANTRA DAO’s relationship with Kusama and Polkadot? What kind of support will they give to the team?）
答： MANTRA DAO将是Rio链第一个主要的DApp。所有这些交易都将在Rio链上进行，Rio链是Polkadot生态系统中一个可互操作且高度安全的基于Substrate的链。
与比特币和以太坊相比，Rio链进行了迭代更新，它采用 Substrate构建，注重安全性和可用性，引入了更强的互操作性、可伸缩性、网络速度和跨链交易。正因为如此，我们选择使用Rio链来启动MANTRA DAO平台。
MANTRA DAO is built on Rio Chain, which is a Substrate-based Blockchain that operates within the Polkadot ecosystem to provide cross-chain compatibility.
The existing blockchain is too slow and solidified to be used by most institutions and organizations because it is too unfamiliar to the traditional digital infrastructure. Blockchain must meet the needs of enterprises in order to be successful and implementable.
Compared with Bitcoin and Ethereum, Rio Chain prioritized security, speed, scalability, and interoperability. We operate across blockchains to leverage the strengths of each. Rio Chain is able to process up to 3,000 transactions per second, finalizes blocks within 2 seconds, and offers very low transaction fees (<$0.01). So we choose to use the Rio Dao platform.
We are running a validator for KSM and will also run this for DOT as well as other Polkadot ecosystem projects! I can say with 100% certainty that the Polkadot network has become a unlicensed chain network and that dot will be transferred within 28 days. MANTRA DAO is built on the Rio chain, which is a Substrate based chain, which does not rely on Polkadot. Rio chain is a believer in Polkadot and Kusama and is pleased to be one of the fastest growing projects in their ecosystem.
Rio Chain comes ready-made with a comprehensive suite of tools. Rio Wallet is accessible from either a smart phone or web browser, enabling users to store a wide variety of digital assets. Rio Block Explorer allows anyone to easily monitor the network, view transactions, and check wallet balances. All of this technology will be utilized by MANTRA DAO to create one of the world’s leading DeFi dApps!
问：DeFi很火，产品却良莠不齐。相较于市面上的DeFi项目，MANTRA DAO的优势和核心竞争力是什么？能够提供哪些功能服务？您认为现阶段的DeFi项目普遍存在哪些问题？团队会如何改善？（Defi is in the trend recent days, but the products are very different. What are MANTRA DAO's advantages and core competitiveness compared with the others in the market? What functional services MANTRA DAO can provide? What problems do you think are common in the current Defi projects? How can the team improve?）
There are countless problems in current financial systems that are long overdue for change. Traditional financial services are drastically inefficient due to out-of-date legacy systems as well as there being large capital requirements, high barriers to entry, high interest rates on loans, low savings rates, and opaque governance.
Decentralized Finance or DeFi has been trying to solve these issues to make financial services more inclusive and transparent, but to this date many of the current products still face issues stopping them from being truly effective or only solve small pieces of the market. The blockchains many of these DeFi projects are using are still rigid and only able to interact with limited assets, interest and savings rates lack incentives, and overall user-experience is difficult for people to navigate.
MANTRA DAO solves these issues through its fully interoperable, transparent, and autonomous savings and lending platform. With our secure and easy-to-use platform we allow a simple and evolutionary solution allowing anyone, anywhere, to save, borrow and lend with the touch of a button.
Through MANTRA DAO’s platform and interoperable blockchain, users are able to stake multiple crypto assets in one place, with many of which being fully secure and non-custodial never moving from users’ wallets and control.
Our built-in rewards systems incentivizes users to support our ecosystem and help it grow, while allowing for potential higher returns and lower interest rates.
And being a community governed DAO, MANTRA DAO plans to be fully autonomous by giving its token holders and community members the ability to propose changes, vote and implement what they wish to see and gain in the system. Members have full control over how they want their financial freedom to look like.
问：DeFi最吸引用户的可能还是高收益率，在MANTRA DAO生态中，用户可以通过哪些方式获利？根据白皮书，除了治理代币OM外，还支持Karma协议，它作为绩效指标会给予生态用户一定的奖励，请问这套机制从哪些方面量化参与者行为？对应的奖励又有哪些？（We believe the most attractive factor for users of Defi is high yield. In MANTRA DAO ecology, what ways can users make profits? According to the white paper, in addition to OM, the token, the Karma protocol is also being supported, which as a performance indicator that will give certain rewards to ecological users. In what ways does this mechanism quantify the behavior of participants? And what are the corresponding rewards?）
答： 可以简单理解成，MANTRA DAO基本上是一个由社区管理的加密货币银行。我们通过Staking等服务提供高利率、高储蓄率，类似的项目比如Stake Fish，Figment网络，Pool-X，Binance等等。
和Maker DAO、Compound、Acala和Kava一样，我们也提供储蓄、借贷、稳定币和治理代理服务。截至目前，Compound市值已经达到了数十亿美元，Maker DAO市值超过了5亿美元，并且它们只与基于以太坊的资产进行交互，我们相信MANTRA DAO可以在短短几年内达到类似的市值。对于那些早入市的投资者，我们会提供50-100倍回报的机会。
至于在MANTRA DAO生态系统中提交提案和投票，成员必须首先持有并质押OM。在MANTRA DAO系统中，每一枚“OM”代表一票。用户需要存入价值100美元的OM作为抵押并提出一个投票主题。如果提案失败，他们将失去OM，但如果提案通过了理事会的评估，投票将继续进行。如果该提案获得了有效选民(质押OM)的51%的大多数票，那么存款人将获得他们的OM以及获得额外的帮助生态系统的KARMA。
So how do we compare to other projects out there? MANTRA DAO is basically a community-governed cryptocurrency bank.
We provide high-interest savings rates through staking-as-a-service, similar to projects like Stake Fish, Figment Networks, Pool-X, Binance, and others.
Since we’re powered by Rio Chain, a Substrate-based blockchain, we’ll be able to fully interact with the Polkadot Network, allowing us to support assets & smart contracts across many blockchains.
We offer Savings, Lending, Stablecoins, and Governance tokens, like Maker DAO, Compound, Acala, and Kava. With Compound having a market cap in the billions of dollars and Maker DAO being above $500 million, all while only interacting with Ethereum-based assets, we believe MANTRA DAO can achieve a similar market cap within just a few years. For those getting in early, we offer an opportunity for 50-100x returns.
问：关于资产质押，MANTRADAO的规则是什么？前期会支持哪些加密货币资产？在路线图规划中，提到了后期会上线自主创新的借贷算法和稳定币系统，这和MakerDao玩法有哪些共同点和差异性？（About asset pledge, what are MANTRA DAO's rules? What cryptocurrency assets will be supported in the early stage? In the roadmap planning, it is mentioned that the independent innovation lending algorithm and stable currency system will be launched in the future. What are the similarities and differences between this and MakerDao?）
答：MANTRA DAO通过质押的形式来提供多种区块链的资产利息。一开始会提供Polkadot和Kusama，之后会陆续添加 Tezos、 Cardano、Tron和其他DPOS协议产品。一旦Ethereum 2.0正式上线，我们也将添加它。
当用户在MANTRA DAO质押时，他们能够最大化他们的收益，因为我们的费用很低，并且为用户提供除了原生质押代币奖励之外的OM 代币奖励的机会。举个例子，用户质押一个BTC除了拿到30USDT的利息外，MANTRA DAO平台还会额外赠送价值30USDT的OM代币。
MANTRA DAO offers staking-as-a-service to provide access to interest across multiple blockchains. We’re starting with Polkadot & Kusama, then adding Tezos, Cardano, Tron, and other DPOS protocols, and we’ll add Ethereum 2.0 once it goes live.
When users stake with MANTRA DAO, they are able to maximize their earnings, because we have both low fees and offer users the opportunity to earn OM token rewards in addition to the native staking rewards. The more OM people stake with us, the higher their bonus rewards become.
In addition to staking, we’ll also be developing multiple lending products. In our first development phase, we’ll plug-in to the Compound protocol to offer users access to lending interest for Ethereum-based assets. In Phase 2, we’ll be using third-party lending service providers on the backend to generate yields, such as Matrixport, to provide access to loans & savings interest. In Phase 3, we’ll be developing our own proprietary lending algorithm & stablecoin system, similar to Maker DAO but with cross-chain collateralized assets rather than just Ethereum-based ones.
问：MANTRA DAO提供了一个MANTRA奖池游戏，用户如何参与？如何获胜？奖励有哪些？(MANTRA DAO provides a mantra prize pool. How can users participate? How to win? What are the rewards?)
答：MANTRA奖池是一个加密货币储蓄游戏，允许用户参与并有机会赢得 MANTRA DAO基金会的质押奖励。该协议每周将随机选出获胜者，用户可以通过销毁OM进入MANTRA奖池。
通过MANTRA DAO基金会资产产生的所有质押回报的25%，将用于 MANTRA池。这一篮子奖励以其原生资产的形式发放，如DOT, KSM, XTZ, OM等。用户可以选择将所有这些资产转换为OM，并获得额外的利息。
The MANTRA pool allows users to participate in the crypto saving game and have the chance to participate in the game. The winner will be selected randomly every week, and users can enter the MANTRA pool by burning OM.
There are two ways for users to access the MANTRA pool:
1) Burn 1 OM to create 1 entry 2) High levels of KARMA will guarantee users’access
Users can win a basket of staking rewards, which are calculated from 25% of the foundations staking reward assets. This will occur on a weekly basis and users can win DOT, KSM, XTZ, OM, etc. Users can choose to convert their assets into OM and have additional interests.
We also allow sponsored giveaways for MONTRA pool, which companies can sponsor the distribution with their assets. These services will be run separately from the MANTRA pool service generated by the pledge based reward.
问：关于社区治理，留意到提案规则中有个细节，即如果提案失败，用户将失去他的OM代币。这个规则在一定程度上确实能够提高提案量，但是会不会更容易造成利益操纵？DAO这种形式目前未能大规模普及，您认为原因是什么？又该如何降低门槛，提高生态用户的参与积极性？（About community governance, I noticed that there is a detail in the proposal, that is, if the proposal fails, the user will lose his OM. Undeniable, this rule can improve the quality of proposals to a certain extent, but will it be easier to manipulate interests? What do you think is the reason why Dao has not been popularized on a large scale at present? How to reduce the threshold and improve the participation enthusiasm of ecological users?）
- 对大多数人来说，投票门槛很高。基于这点，MANTRA DAO不需要100万OM来投票，用户只需要1个OM。
Yes, it is certainly meant to deter silly proposals. But we also have it so that just 1 staked OM = 1 vote. This allows literally everyone to take part in governance, especially if they are already staking - so a win-win!
So far, DAOs have failed, for many reasons, but there are 2 specific ones, I would like to talk about：
1. Difficult to understand and use voting processes. We will have a simplified staking and governance module that allows you to delegate votes simply based off the OM assets you have staked.
2. the treshhold and barrier for voting is generally far to high for most. We don’t require 1,000,000 OM to vote for example.. you only need 1 OM.
问：通过首次社区成员众筹（IMO），团队目前的融资情况如何？OM代币是如何分配的？对应的锁仓期各是多久？（Through the IMO, what is the current financing situation of the team? How are OM allocated? How long are the lock-up periods?）
关于锁定期，MANTRA DAO团队和顾问的OM将会被锁定24个月（2年）时间，而 OM将会每个月进行释放4.167% 或者 1/24 (5,926,399.9940736 OM)。
参与私募成员将会锁定6个月（半年）时间，而OM将会每个月进行释放 16.67%或者1/6 (13,333,333.3 OM)。参与公开出售的成员没有锁定期，在首次成员众筹成功结束后，将获得 100%的代币。
In the early stage of fundraising, more than $12 million of white list has promised support for users. At present, all the $5.93 million of the IMO hardcap has been raised! Thank you very much for your support and love for the MANTRA DAO!
As for the lock-up period, the OM of MANTRA DAO team and consultant will be locked for 24 months (2 years), while OM will release 4.167% or 124th (5926399.9940736 OM) every month.
The lock-up time for ICO participants is 6 months (half a year), while OM will release 16.67% or 1/6th (13333333.3 OM) every month. There is no lock-up period for the participants in the public sale. After the successful completion of the first crowdfunding, they will receive 100% token.
问：能否透露一下团队接下来的规划？比如上线交易所之类。对于中国社区建设，团队又有哪些计划？（Can you tell us about the next plan of the team? Such as listing on the exchange? What are the team's plans for community building in China?）
We are excited to continue to list on more tier 1 and tier 2 exchanges, which we have already made a lot effort. We will disclose more when its ready.
With regard to community building in China, we have reached a deep strategic cooperation with our strong partners. At present, our overseas heat is very high, and the domestic has initially gained a lot of attention. I believe that in the next few months, we will get greater growth.
问：有观点认为，DeFi与17年的ICO热潮极其相似，您是如何看待这个观点的？有人认为DeFi快到尾声了，也有人认为才刚刚起步，您认为DeFi目前处于生命周期中的什么位置？MANTRADAO致力于将金融控制权回归用户，包括整个DeFi赛道也是，目标是将资产所有权全权交还给用户，但是这同时也是把双刃剑，您是如何思考的？（There is a view that the current situation of Defi is extremely similar to the ICO statues in 2017. How do you think about that? Some people think that Defi is coming to an end, while others think it is just starting. What stage do you think is currently in its life cycle? The entire Defi realm and also MANTRADAO is committed to returning financial control to users. The goal is to give full ownership of assets to users, but it is also a double-edged sword. How do you think?）
I think we are just at the begginning of the DeFi hype cycle in my opinion, although I can definitely see a lot of similarities to the ICO gold rush of 2017. This time though, I see existing platforms and projects trying to pivot into DeFi more so than totally new random projects entering. We are seeing some very cool, innovative projects being built, and I believe with the upcoming launch of Polkadot, you will see a rise in cross-chain DeFi applications, which will have a huge positive impact on the broader DeFi and crypto space in my opinion.
I don't necessarily see it as a double-edged sword, but I do see how the responsibility lays on the DeFi project to make sure they've gone through the proper security audits and risk control measures to ensure the safekeeping of their users assets if they are locked in the platforms protocol.
问：DeFi的一个很突出问题是，普通用户的参与度并不是很高，尤其是国内用户，您怎么看待这个事实？有哪些方法可以降低用户参与门槛？（A prominent problem of Defi is that the participation of ordinary users is not very high, especially Chinese users. What do you think of this fact? What are the ways to lower the threshold of user participation?）
答：参与度也取决于交互是否简易，用户与MANTRA DAO平台的交互非常简单且安全。基于我们的质押服务，用户只需指定/委托我们高度安全的企业级节点基础设施即可。根据资产情况，MANTRA DAO将支付用户潜在的利息和OM的增强利息。通过这种方式，基本原则上用户可以获得100%甚至双倍的利息。
Engagement also depends on simple interactions.Interacting with the MANTRA DAO platform is simple and secure. For our staking services, you just need to nominate/delegate our highly secure enterprise grade node infrastructure, and depending on the asset we will pay you back your underlying interest + enhanced interest in OM. All while maintaining custody of your own crypto assets. You can generate up to 100% or doubled interest on your underlying principle this way.
Lending works similarly, where you can choose which lending product is most attractive to you, and allow us to lend these assets on your behalf, where again you will generate enhanced interest in OM.
问：比特币突破12000美元和以DeFi为代表的各大板块相继轮动，都极大激活了场内玩家的热情。对于接下来的市场行情，您的看法是什么？对于普通用户，您又会给予哪些建议呢？（Bitcoin's breakthrough of $12000 and the rotation of major fields represented by Defi have greatly activated the enthusiasm of players in the industry. What do you think of the next market trend? What suggestions would you give to ordinary users?）
It's great to see a bit of a bull market back in crypto. That being said, we are far from a full on bull run in my opinion. We've seen a lot of price action in Alts and in "Yield Farming" protocols, which bodes well for our OM token, but I still believe we are early in this cycle. We still need new money to flow into the space, and 9 times out of 10, it will flow into bitcoin first.
In order to truly kick off a bull market, we will need to see a lot more new money enter into the space, and most likely will start at Bitcoin. I'm pretty excited to see if this kicks off towards the end of the year, but at the same time you have to see that the global economy is slowing, so we will see what sort of macro effect this has on the crypto space. So far, I think it's been helpful!